Lendstats Loan Filtering is Down…Permanently?

I received an email this morning from a reader informing me that Lendstats filtering was down. While the Lendstats home page is still working when you go to the Prosper or Lending Club filtering pages you receive this message: Sorry, this page is currently unavailable.

The first thing I did was check the Lendstats Forum and sure enough there was already a thread going on discussing this problem. Apparently there was an issue with his server yesterday and Ken, the owner of Lendstats, has decided not to fix the problem.

Ken has been maintaining Lendstats as a labor of love for a couple of years now and obviously it has been a great deal of work. He says he is burned out by all the negative comments he has received and will not be putting any more effort into Lendstats. If that is the case this is a bad day for p2p investors.

Lendstats Has Been the Number 1 Resource for P2P Investors

While I have been a big supporter of Lendstats over the last 18 months, I have linked to it over 100 times from this blog, I have also been critical of it on occasion so I fear I may have been a contributing factor in Ken’s decision to shut it down. If that is the case I want to say here publicly that I love Lendstats and I consider it to be the number one tool for p2p investors. Period.

There is no question that Lendstats has made me a better investor. And I am not alone here – I know there are hundreds of investors who have relied on Lendstats to do a thorough analysis of the loan history of Lending Club and Prosper. My success as an investor has been directly related to the filtering I have been able to run on Lendstats.

It looks like Ken is serious. There was a movement on his forum for people to start a donation drive but Ken has taken down his donation page so that movement can’t go ahead. I hope he reconsiders, I really do. It would be a great loss for the p2p lending community if Lendstats didn’t come back.

Hat tip to Rocco for letting me know.

[Update: I have written a short review and created a video tutorial for a Lendstats alternative called Nickel Steamroller]

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Marc
Jul. 13, 2012 9:49 am

A sad day in P2P lending. A hero has fallen.

Anonymous
Anonymous
Jul. 13, 2012 10:17 am

Let’s put some buy-out offers up?

Larry Ventura
Larry Ventura
Jul. 13, 2012 1:45 pm
Reply to  Peter Renton

On a slightly different note, I was thinking a week or so ago that you, Ken, and SmartPeerLending should merge. It seems like each site was slightly different, and together they covered all the bases, from news to loan recommendations. I was noticing that neither forum (lendstat/SLN) was able to get enough traffic to warrant an everyday visit, but combining might get there.

Roy S
Roy S
Jul. 13, 2012 10:22 am

Well, that sucks. I didn’t know that there were a lot of negative comments/criticism (don’t know why they couldn’t start their own if they felt Lendstats so bad?!). Maybe I should have gone on to the forum. It was a very useful website that I used on several occasions. I’m hoping that Ken just needs a little break from it, and that Lendstats will be resurrected in the future.

jiannone
jiannone
Jul. 13, 2012 11:01 am

I invest through a lendstats filter in a favorited link. I don’t even have the values written down. Awful.

Larry Ventura
Larry Ventura
Jul. 13, 2012 12:09 pm

I started hanging out in the lendstats forum a month or two ago. Never saw any negative comments, but Ken also stopped posting his picks. I think that Ken could easily monetize his site, and I’d be willing to pay a monthly for the “service”. Not sure how others feel.

CA-Lender
CA-Lender
Jul. 18, 2012 12:05 pm
Reply to  Larry Ventura

I too would pay a monthly subscription to use the site.

Dan B
Dan B
Jul. 18, 2012 12:32 pm
Reply to  CA-Lender

Well, now’s your chance to help pay for the new site.

Wangchuk
Wangchuk
Jul. 22, 2012 11:18 pm
Reply to  CA-Lender

I would pay a monthly subscription

Larry Ventura
Larry Ventura
Jul. 13, 2012 12:48 pm

I understand that thought. Also, with investment-focused sites, charging could be a bigger deal than one might think. At some point it could be perceived that you are giving advice.

Craig Hollyfield
Craig Hollyfield
Jul. 13, 2012 1:19 pm

Ken, your site has helped so many folks become better investors. This benefits both the borrower and the investor communities. I hope you can come up with an alternate model that would allow Lendstats to continue.

Steve Bryant
Steve Bryant
Jul. 13, 2012 3:31 pm

I second the idea of a subscription service for LendStats. I would be willing to pay. I would also be willing to sign a disclaimer that the LendStats site is for research porposes only.

Peter — have you considered selling an excel macro package that would allow generation of loan pick lists that meet the user’s selection criteria?

Otherwise, I am going to have to breakout the excel macro books and start writing my own filtering routines.

Rocco
Rocco
Jul. 13, 2012 5:12 pm

A sad day in P2P lending in deed.

I must admit that Lendstats has allowed me to achieve an ROI that will be impossible to attain without them. Hopefully, after a well deserved break, Ken may reconsider bringing the site back on-line, charging a membership fee, or at the least discussing the sale with Peter.

Peter, a BIG Thank you for your dedication and hard work also. The P2P investor communtiy also owes you big time!

Kent
Kent
Jul. 13, 2012 5:57 pm

If this is true, it is extremely sad news. I used Lendstats daily to monitor my investments with Prosper.com. It is a very valuable yet complimentary resource, which is extremely rare in this dog eat dog world. Please Ken, change your mind.

Investor Junkie
Jul. 13, 2012 7:20 pm

Let me state this publicly, I would be willing to discuss with Ken taking over the site.

Dan B
Dan B
Jul. 13, 2012 7:51 pm

Guys, let’s be serious. Wouldn’t you want someone a bit more “fair & balanced” like myself to run a site like Lendstats??
In your response just remember that no personal attacks are allowed on this site! 🙂

Michael
Jul. 13, 2012 10:29 pm

If you disable JavaScript the site will work, he’s placed the following code in the headers of the pages:

location.href = ‘../../loansearch/noaccess.php’

All he has to do is:

And disabling JavaScript will no longer work.

Frankie C
Frankie C
Jul. 13, 2012 10:35 pm
Reply to  Michael

So the site is not broken, it’s intentionally disabled?

Either way, from a technical perspective, there doesn’t seem to be much to that site. It’s just a handful of (amazingly useful) php pages and probably a back-end cronjob that pulls the data on a regular schedule from the 2 platforms. If the author doesn’t want to run the site any longer, he could give or sell these few scripts and anyone with a web site could have them back and running the same day.

I don’t mean to sound like I don’t appreciate how much work it was to write the code. I’m just saying that with a small amount of collaboration from the author, and given how many ppl are willing to help, this seems easily resolvable.

Russell
Russell
Jul. 17, 2012 1:10 am
Reply to  Frankie C

The real work in lendstats is parsing the obtuse format provided by Prosper, getting it into databases, and then coming up with the right PHP to poke at the database. Ken mentioned somewhere his provider cut his maximum DB size. So, the project went from being low effort maintenance to high maintenance.

It seems likely he was pulling the diffs from Prosper and the outage that prevented his scripts from running. Since, AFIK Prosper only provides the most current diff, he may have needed to do a full pull on the DB. If he didn’t automate that first step it is easy to see why he might not want to bother. Compressed the Prosper DB is about a gig of data. Uncompressed to CSV it is 2.85 GB. The Prosper format is obtuse. The P2PXML offering from NickleSteamroller looks promising, but if you use it as your base (as of right now) you are at the mercy of that source continuing to do the reparsing.

I also (briefly) considered rolling together a replacement. However, NickleSteamroller’s front end is too pretty. I could never match that.

Megan
Megan
Jul. 24, 2012 6:22 pm
Reply to  Russell

I don’t need pretty I like fast, clean, and accurate. Nickle Steam roller is lovely and has a lot of phenomenal data, but you just don’t have the flexibility in the filter selection that was available at Lendstats. I’m thinking to do my research with NSR and then using excel for my filtering.

Michael
Jul. 24, 2012 6:52 pm
Reply to  Megan

If you let me know what you would like added to the filters, I am more than happy to add it. I also have the website http://www.p2pxml.com which will assist you will your own data modeling.

Wiseclerk
Jul. 14, 2012 3:09 am

Too bad.

Forrest
Jul. 14, 2012 8:15 am

I’ve only started with p2p leaning a little over a month ago and had found the Lendstats site a very useful tool. I really hope Ken reconsiders.

Anil Gupta
Anil Gupta
Jul. 14, 2012 11:21 am

Shutting down lendstats unexpectedly is an unfortunate situation for most p2p lenders who were relying on it. Ken should have atleast allowed some time before shutting down to extract their criteria and other info users needed.

I never used lendstats site personally as I have my own methods and setup. But knowing that there are lot of users with no options for analysis left, I am thinking of opening my tools for lending club historical data to the public. I can most probably expose the existing data though stale within a few days. There is no ROI portion or analysis of users portfolio in my tools and it is primarily visualization driven. A user will be able to create the charts with the data the types i post on my blog.

Based on user feedback, I can work slowly to improve or create another service in the background.

Also, is anyone interested in crowd funding developing a resource similar to lendstats?

Anil

p2pLoanStats.com
p2pLoanStats.com
Jul. 17, 2012 8:40 pm
Reply to  Anil Gupta
JD Cullum
JD Cullum
Jul. 14, 2012 12:35 pm

Hi,
I too just started with P2P lending via Lending Club, and I am very disappointed that Lendstats has suddenly disappeared. The filters are far more detailed than what is available on the Lending Club. I, too, would be willing to pay a subscription fee for this information. I’ve got money from loans that failed to go through and I’m really unsure about what to do about it. I guess I’ll keep an eye on this site to see what develops. Thank you, Peter for letting folks know what’s going on…
– JD

Daniel Croce
Daniel Croce
Jul. 14, 2012 2:41 pm

Very sad as this was a tool of tremendous value. Clear from the comments that the P2P investor community appreciates Lendstats; let’s hope for the best.

DT
DT
Jul. 15, 2012 12:50 pm

I have used Lendstats daily for years and the site has contributed tremendously to my Prosper and Lending Club investments. I also invested heavily in loans that Ken invested in. What a brilliant birddog! Lendstats going away is a tremendous loss! I am definitely willing to pay a fee for the service. I know my ROI will decrese with the loss of Lendstats. I hope Ken comes back or someone else picks up the mantle. I think the amount of work involved with the Lendstats site is too much for volunteer work and do not mind if the site collects dues.

Bilgefisher
Jul. 16, 2012 7:29 am

I respect his wishes. There is a need through. A smart individual looking to capitalize on this need could easily create a very valuable company as this industry is still in its infancy.

Opportunities of a lifetime come every day.

Jason

p2pLoanStats.com
p2pLoanStats.com
Jul. 17, 2012 8:39 pm

Just launched an indiegogo campaign for a new subscription-based loan stats site:

https://www.indiegogo.com/p2pLoanStats?a=873768

Hope you guys can help out! Spread the word!

p2pLoanStats.com
p2pLoanStats.com
Jul. 18, 2012 11:36 am
Reply to  Peter Renton

Thanks again, Peter.

If anybody would like to see different perks on the indiegogo site, please let us know. Chicago-area developers interested in joining the team should contact thewebman2007@gmail.com.

Willsch
Willsch
Jul. 18, 2012 11:07 am

I’d pay to keep Lendstats alive.

DT
DT
Jul. 19, 2012 9:53 am

I just made a contribution to p2pLoanStats.com to show my support to fill the need for a replacement for Lendstats. A clear need exists. I am enjoying watching free enterprise in action working to fill a need and most likely creating jobs over time.

TP
TP
Jul. 19, 2012 9:20 pm

No wonder I haven’t been able to sell notes for the entire week.

While I applaud the third party effort to come out with a new “lendstate” site, I am curious as to why nobody here thinks the FOLIOfn should be the one to improve its platform. After all, this is the company that charges the fee and I’m sure everybody would agree that its platform sucks.

Frankie C
Frankie C
Jul. 20, 2012 8:39 am
Reply to  TP

Oh, they should. Their UI is only one small notch above unusable. It’s so primitive that just a few days of development could improve it greatly.

Yet they don’t seem to be doing anything about it. Wonder why…

Larry Ventura
Larry Ventura
Jul. 20, 2012 8:42 am
Reply to  Frankie C

I think we’d all like Folio to improve, or even come up with basic features such as staus change alerts….but we really don’t have pull with Folio as individuals. LC contracts with Folio, not me (even though I pay for it).

Frankie C
Frankie C
Jul. 20, 2012 1:31 am

There’s one thing I don’t get about several comments in this thread: it sounds like several people relied on lendstats on a daily basis to steer their p2p investments.

I used lendstats the same way Peter described in his youtube video, and the same way he uses the Nickelsteamroller Return Forecaster: as a tool to test various filtering criterias against historical data. When I discovered p2p, I went through that whole process several times as I did more and more reading of blogs like this one. And after a few weeks of doing so, I had refined my set of filters, saved them on LC and I was done. It’s going to take 6-12 months before I need to do that again. It’s not something I do every day.

Sure, every month or 2, I upload my notes.csv to get a more accurate calculation than LC’s NAR. Not something I do every day.

So… for those of you who can’t live without lendstats on a daily basis: why not? What were you using that site for on a daily basis?

I’m only asking because I’m worried I was missing out on something, some process I could benefit from.

DT
DT
Jul. 20, 2012 5:08 am

Frankie C – The big difference in the way you are investing and I am investing is that I am a lot more hands on than you are. This is why I was using Lendstats daily. What you are doing works. I do that also. In addition to what you do I would use Lendstats in additional ways: (1) use loans picked by top investors as bird dogs (2) invest in blenders (3) incrementally lesson criteria to identify additional loans to invest in more loans quicker (4) see how my ROI compares to others (95 percentile or higher in two accounts) (5) see if I need to change criteria over time due to new data added to the database, etc. Hope this answers your question and good luck with your investing.

Frankie C
Frankie C
Jul. 20, 2012 8:43 am
Reply to  DT

DT – Thank you for your reply.

Are (1), (2) and (4) Prosper-specific? That data is not available on LC, is it?

I’m with you on (5), I just don’t do it too frequently.

seth yancey
seth yancey
Jul. 23, 2012 9:29 am

how does he pull the prosper data from the site?

Michael
Jul. 23, 2012 9:45 am
Reply to  seth yancey

I make publically available the library NSR uses to process the Prosper data. You can download it here: https://www.nickelsteamroller.com/lab

seth yancey
seth yancey
Jul. 23, 2012 10:42 am
Reply to  Michael

thanks.

Conor
Conor
Jul. 25, 2012 9:27 pm

Looks like Lendstats is back up and running now, by the way.

Dan B
Dan B
Jul. 26, 2012 10:02 am
Reply to  Conor

No, not really.

Dan B
Dan B
Jul. 26, 2012 10:45 am
Reply to  Peter Renton

Well i don’t see how it matters either way. We’ve been told right here by several posters how easy it’d to put up a new site. I’m sure there will be a plethora of choices for all you guys in no time at all. 🙂

Russell
Russell
Jul. 26, 2012 11:28 am
Reply to  Dan B

Yeah. Well, we know that it isn’t easy. Conceptually it is. Practically it is for Lending Club. For Prosper, it isn’t. I have a statistics background and am a fair hand with a computer and I put serious thought into it, even just for my own needs… and decided not to. I don’t have enough to invest to make it worth while. Moreover, the status of the indiegogo effort makes it obvious that people really aren’t willing to put their money where their mouth is… at least not (pardon the quazi-pun) site unseen. I think people probably want the NSR style polish, and that is far beyond my skillset. There is a beta NSR level polish query engine running on the prosper dataset somewhere, (I saw the link back on the lendstats forum), but I can’t figure out where it is.

Off topic (maybe): But what happens to the average return on Prosper and Lending Club when you factor in that smart folk like KenL, Dan, and Peter are beating the odds? What sort of return should a regular person investing blindly, or using the various big-spender services, expect on those platforms? Are the non-active managers (I presume this would be the majority of lenders once the platforms gain more mainstream acceptance) going to find that p2p lending isn’t as sweet as claimed? On a side note, what it would be great to see on a new platform (take note NSR guy and other developers) is a projected rate that includes not only the weighting down the value of notes based on them having gone late, but that also projects returns based on expected future delinquencies given the grades of the note and how long they’ve managed to pay so far without going DQ.

Dan B
Dan B
Jul. 26, 2012 2:40 pm
Reply to  Russell

Well as much as I relish the compliment, & your accurate assessment of my return numbers,……………whatever upward skewing of the average that exists happens predominantly because of the relative higher return of young notes. This reality is exacerbated by the huge growth of investments which of course means that there’s an ever increasing number of young notes.

But to answer your question, I estimate that a regular person investing blindly, as you put it, is going to get anywhere from 4.5%-7% long term real return depending on how conservative or aggressive. In almost all cases even “blindly” requires some preferences & some weighting. The state of the economy, as cliche as it sounds, will be the determining factor on whether returns end up pushing the lower or upper end of that range imo.

Anil Gupta
Jul. 27, 2012 12:38 am
Reply to  Russell

Good post. I believe failure of indiegogo project was due to poor planning and no launch strategy. Projects on kickstarter/indiegogo don’t just get funded by putting up a project and expecting people to open their wallet.

If you want to see return of passively managed portfolio of loans, check returns of LCA Advisor funds managed by Lending Club. I reviewed LCA portfolio returns that a few blog readers shared with me. The returns are not that great. Most probably negative bias in my reader sample as if you were happy with returns you wouldn’t be sharing to get opinion on what they should do. The main reason for poor return whether LCA or others tend to be the investors rushing and expecting to fully invest the cash as quickly as possible resulting in landing up with poor quality loans in the portfolio. Personally, I have struggled to find even 6 or 7 loans a week that meet my qualifying criteria.

I believe the smart folks are doing better because they are patient and disciplined in selecting when and which loans they invest.

Larry Ventura
Larry Ventura
Jul. 26, 2012 2:58 pm

My big concern with the indiego effort was the lack of background info on the guys doing this. Were they active in p2p, where are they from, etc…. I asked for background and all i got was one guy saying he had a degree from a “well known institution”….um ok.

Also, NSR, SL.net and SmartPeerLending are all I need for LC investing.

Dan B
Dan B
Jul. 26, 2012 3:29 pm
Reply to  Larry Ventura

I saw that “well known institution” comment & was amused by it too.

p2pLoanStats.com
Jul. 27, 2012 2:09 am

Larry –

I can tell you that I have been active in the p2p world, mostly on Prosper, since this March. It is admittedly a relatively short period of time, but I am sure that anyone reading this can understand how easy it is to become a big fan of the concept of p2p lending. After all, we’re at least 67 comments deep on this page… I used Lendstats heavily to develop my strategy – this is the main reason why I wanted to develop a new site. I’m from the Chicago area and I’ve been here my whole life.

Anil –

We don’t view the Indiegogo campaign as a failure – in reality, the fact that we were able to get any funding whatsoever served as a real confirmation to us that there is a demand for this service, and we **are** going to provide it. As a matter of fact, we are now legally obligated to fulfill the promised subscriptions that have been pre-paid on the Indiegogo site.

Did we have a clear route mapped out at the outset? Maybe not. Do we have a vision for what we want the site to be? Absolutely. And I can tell you that we now have the right team in place to do it. I would like to invite you all to pre-register for our free beta period by going to our page now and submitting your email address. We are working as quickly as we can to get the site up and running, and we hope that you will be able to join us for this experimental stage.

Please feel free to send us your questions by email: team *at* p2ploanstats (dot) com.

p2pLoanStats.com
Jul. 27, 2012 2:11 am

To clarify – you may enter your email address at our actual website, p2pLoanStats.com. The previous post links only to our Indiegogo page. Apologies for any confusion.

Frankie C
Frankie C
Jul. 27, 2012 11:21 am

Hey, look at that! No more virus on that page! 😉

Dan B
Dan B
Jul. 27, 2012 3:00 pm

You know the Democratic Party needs a guy in Utah & Alaska to spin their state election numbers in November. And the Republicans need someone in the District of Columbia for the same job. I’m thinking you are the perfect guy for either job since you’ve spun your indiegogo results with such panache. 🙂

EminentEndeavors
EminentEndeavors
Jul. 27, 2012 8:32 am

I just wanted to let some of you folks know, that a few of us lendstats orphans from the forum and using the filtering have reassembled ourselves over at:

https://prosperinvestors.forumatic.com

No tools yet of course but a forum, modeled after the now-missing-defunct lendstats forum, with many of the same users including top lenders like icanhasloanz leading things. Hope some of you will join us over there to share yoru strategies, commiserate and/or talk about Prosper and other P2P lending!

thanks, Linda (EminentEndeavors on Prosper/Lendstats)

Wangchuk
Wangchuk
Jul. 31, 2012 12:50 am
Reply to  Peter Renton

Great to hear.
Thank you Peter and Ken!

Raymond
Raymond
Feb. 17, 2013 12:05 am
Reply to  Peter Renton

It seems that LendingClub Loan Filter on LendStats.com comes back now.

EminentEndeavors
EminentEndeavors
Feb. 19, 2013 7:40 am
Reply to  Peter Renton

Also, don’t forget the new forum for P2P lenders at
https://p2plending.forumatic.com/

As well as the great tools for research at
https://www.prosper-stats.com/ for Prosper lenders.

Many of us our “lendstats” orphans that found our way together after “the fall”. 🙂 Would love to have lenders, old and new on our forum and finding better loans with the statistics tool. Personally, I think prosper-stats works much better than lendstats ever did, has REAL TIME loan info, so you don’t have to wait a day to see what others are doing like in the past.